It was over wa-a-ay before any of that for me, Frances. I took a hard pass as that Administration (of which she was a part) continued to materially support Palestinian genocide.

It's not surprise, it's their hubris still blinding them is all that is -- because, yes, just like with Killary, they lied and went through all these machinations to try and get her elected (Brazil and Wasserman-Schultz particularly), killed and tortured a lot of people (Abu Ghraib and Iraq particularly) and expected everybody to go along with it.